August 28, 2011

Source: BYU contacted by Big 12

Those who are familiar with our work here at The Upset Blog will remember our coverage of BYU's descent into the world of football Independence. A well-placed source provided us with information privy to the decision-making body. In fact, The Upset reported on BYU's decision to leave the MWC and blaze of trail of Independence before the local Utah media.

I say this, as it seems everyone on the interweb, and Twitter especially, has a 'source close to the situation.' The Texas A&M/SEC/BigXII expansion conundrum has made most very suspicious of these sources.  Some may have them. Most don't. We do.

Here is what he said:
  • BYU was contacted by the BigXII in regards to conference membership yesterday. 
  • BYU's intention is to align itself with both Texas and Notre Dame. 
  • Notre Dame, however, is the pre-eminent focus of BYU's future. If BYU feels it can be better aligned with Notre Dame outside of the Big12, the Cougars may balk at the invitation. (It goes without saying, that an ND acceptance of a Big12 invite would make the Cougars decision a no-brainer) 
  • BYU's wants to know Notre Dame's future plans. If these plans involve conference membership (whether Big Ten, Big East, or Big XII) the Cougars will be more willing to look more favorably toward accepting a Big 12 invitation. If they do not, and independence remains a long-term goal of the institution, BYU may find it better suited to remain an independent as well. BYU does not want to be the only non-Service Academy Independent. 
  • BYU wants a contractually stipulated agreement in place, guaranteeing Texas' commitment to the Big 12. 
  • BYU's decision to join the Big12 is not as cut-and-dry as most have reported. BYU has not tacitly accepted nor explicitly rejected an offer from the Big 12. 
  • BYU is very concerned about the repercussions of leaving the WCC high and dry. So much so, that unless proper care and consideration is taken by the Big12 regarding this issue, BYU may very well turn down an invitation to join the league.  The WCC issue should not viewed in a vacuum. As an official representative of the LDS Church, BYU's role must be handled carefully. Church officials are worried about how a sudden move would affect Church credibility.
The situation is very, very fluid, of course. And by saying this, I am not implying that this information isn't credible, or merely another speculative piece. Our source has been dutifully accurate over the past two years on many an issue. 

116 comments:

  1. Zach,

    This is the most well-put statement about BYU/Big12 expansion I have heard/read so far - and that's because it actually sounds like what I would expect from BYU (not what others are speculating).

    While it's getting a little old hearing all the back and forth over this topic, this helps solidify the one thing that I have been saying all along - which is BYU will NOT make a hasty decision - and that they are definitely concerned about hurting their relationship with the WCC. This decision could come back to bite them and create negativity around the BYU name/brand if the higher-ups don't handle this appropriately.

    Thanks for the timely input. Maybe this will calm everyone down a bit so they can realize these things take time. Now on to actually talking about Ole Miss!!!

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  2. My source is reporting that this is a great article.

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  3. Everything you wrote sounds perfect and accurate. Hope it all works out for BYU in the end.

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  4. I have thought the WCC thing is a big issue for the Y, not wanting to offend their new partners. What types of "proper care and consideration" could make the transition away from the WCC not affect the image of the LDS Church?

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  5. #1 BYU won't make any demands of Texas

    #2 Texas won't sign any contract

    #3 If Texas asks, BYU will accept

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  6. I'm from Texas . . . so tell me, what is the WCC?

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  7. The problem with BYU wanting to align their future with Notre Dame is that no one, including Notre Dame, knows what the college football landscape will look like when all the dust settles. Will Notre Dame stay independent when all other major football schools are joining a "super-conference"? Who knows. Will Notre Dame even tell BYU what their plans are? I doubt it. BYU will need to make their decision in conjunction with the info they from the Big 12 (especially Texas and Oklahoma). What Notre Dame will do in the future will have no bearing, as no one will be able to give BYU that information.

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  8. #1 BYU won't make any demands of Texas
    #2 Texas won't sign any contract
    #3 If Texas asks, BYU will accept



    Yeah! Just like how Texas' attitude won over Colorado, Nebraska, and Texas A&M. Keep acting full of yourselves and keep driving those trucks with the fake testicles hanging from the trailer hitch. Everyone else will just do whatever you say and bow in awe of you.

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  9. @Pigcheese: Should you really mock the business savvy of the most profitable athletic department in college athletics?

    LHN will get its act together, and you can enjoy paying the additional charge on your carrier's cable bill each month for it. Think of us when you do; that money is going to Austin. In the words of our governor, "Adios, mofo."

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  10. I'm not knocking UT's business savvy (However, I am on record knocking Texans' vehicular accoutrements). In response to BYU being mocked as an inconsequential program ("BYWho") I pointed out (in a humorous way if I do say so myself) that we have more visibility than you right now. You've got to be able to laugh at yourself sometimes my friend. Yes our network is already in 60 million homes and yes your network merely hopes to be in just four million homes soon. So the truth hurts. But don't let that stop you from saying "BYWho" whenever you want to. Another good one you can use to get under BYU fans' skin is to ask them who they play anyway, Bodiddly Tech? It's also a real side splitter and also very original. Best wishes and good luck this season.

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  11. As a UT Grad and Austin resident the comments from anonymous do not represent that of the large majority of Texas fans. Good luck to BYU and if our paths cross conference-wise, welcome. Of course, we will be looking to beat you up in about 2 weeks.

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  12. My apologies, not all Longhorns are jack holes.
    BYU would be a welcomed upgrade to the Big 12 if the aggies leave.

    There is no way to guarantee any commitments, teams can and do change confrences.

    I don't see how ya'll can align yourself with Texas or ND or anyone else other than in state foes. There has to some kind of facts on the ground to justify the tie in. There are just no way to guarantee anything.

    Texas supposedly has a deal with OU to remain together, but that ties is due to OU reliance on Texas H.S. recruits. Texas likes it because it strengthens our position and attractiveness. Evan though OU or Texas could probably choose any conference they want to be invited to.

    Your best bet would be to get into the Pac 10 or Big 10 as these two are your most stable option. The Big 12 is a nice place to be but teams keep leaving. The instability is destabilizing the conference.

    I hope to welcome ya'll to the Big 12 next week. We shall see.

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  13. "I'm from Texas . . . so tell me, what is the WCC?"

    The WCC stands for West Coast Conference. It's a non-football athletic conference and it is where BYU's non-football sports are going to play for the future (unless BYU joins another conference). The WCC is where Gonzaga and St. Mary's both solid basketball programs play.

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  14. If the LDS Church is concerned about image, they have to leave the WCC behind in the rear-view mirror within two years, otherwise they will be looked at as fools for making very poor decisions. Picking the Big 12 over the WCC is a no-brainer, and even the commissioner of the WCC would have to admit that.

    This whole idea that BYU is so image-conscious that they would turn down the Big 12 makes me worry there are people in charge of decision making at BYU who should not be in charge of making decisions.

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  15. I continue to be amused at the idea that of all the things Notre Dame would do they would join the Big 12. Granted they pride being independent but they also pride their academic reputation and athletic rivalries. Academically and rivalry wise, not to mention geographically both the Big Ten and Big East are far better fits. Why in the world, what possible upside is there for Notre Dame to finally give up its independence and join the second shakiest conference (after the WAC) in Division 1 football?

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  16. I don't mean to demean the WCC and I am sure ya'll will want to leave in a cordial manner, BUT

    Football is the only thing that matters in these conference realignment deals.

    Look at Kansas, even with their great Bball program they are in danger of being left out of a major conference. The other sports just don't really matter.

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  17. Anonymous said...

    I don't mean to demean the WCC and I am sure ya'll will want to leave in a cordial manner, BUT

    Football is the only thing that matters in these conference realignment deals.

    Look at Kansas, even with their great Bball program they are in danger of being left out of a major conference. The other sports just don't really matter.

    ******

    Basketball matters a lot to this fan, and it makes me sick to think BYU is in the WCC. I am a disillusioned BYU fan desperately hoping BYU decides to join the Big 12.

    I understand that football is what matters financially and that is why BYU went indy rather than stay in the MWC, but they had to throw Dave Rose (who is BYU's best basketball coach ever) and the rest of their top-notch sports programs under the bus in order to do so. That is not right. So, if BYU is so concerned about doing the right thing, they will right the wrongs of independence and join the Big 12. It's really as simple as that. The WCC has to understand. It's no different than Utah going to the PAC-12. It would have been monumentally stupid of them to remain in the MWC.

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  18. BYU IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE BYU DOES NOT PLAY ON SUNDAY AND BYU WILL NEVER GIVE IN ON THAT ISSUE

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  19. LMFAO. How come last year the big 12 said how weak BYU was. Now all of a sudden they are saying how great BYU is? You people are a joke. Wyoming beat BYU 20 years in a row in the modern football era. Wyoming has been to the Fiesta Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, etc. Wyoming has the tradition. BYU HAS NEVER BEEN TO A MAJOR BOWL GAME, EVER! This reminds me of Utah. I keep seeing people say how Utah has great tradition. Are you freaking people serious? Utah had exactly one 10 win season in the 100+ years of football before Urban Meyer!! Whereas Wyoming has multiple 10 win and undefeated seasons in its storied history. Football goes in cycles and it appears Wyoming picked the wrong time to be in rebuilding mode. Just how much does Utah owe Urban Meyer??? Utah did nothing before Urban Meyer, NOTHING.

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  20. Couldn't BYU join the Big 12 in just football, and leave the other sports in the WCC? Temple does that with the MAC & A10 conferences. That might actually be the safest thing to do. If the Big ends up imploding, then BYU can just go back to being an independent in football and the other sports wouldn't be affected.

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  21. How will Wyoming manage to stay in the FBS division without the huge boost in attendance they have been getting every other year when they host BYU? I'm sure the Big Sky will welcome you with open arms. EWU would love to have another victim to mug in conference play.

    BTW, anyone know what BYU's football record is versus UT?

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  22. To the ANON closet Wyoming fan all I can say is, "Wow - really?"

    First of all, Wyoming has never beat BYU 20 years in a row in the "modern football era" unless you happen to be 95 years old.

    Second of all, do you know what BYUs all time record is against UT/OU/A&M? That gets right to the heart of the credibility matter especially with respect to the B12. Why don't you look up Wyomings record against those three teams and we can throw down together. I guarantee you though - BYU will win in that little challenge.

    Third, even though Texas is the biggest state in the union, you are aware that it has not yet annexed Wyoming right?

    Signed
    Perhaps the only BYU fan who graduated from both BYU AND UT. Go Cougs. Hook'em Horns.

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  23. "Football is the only thing that matters in these conference realignment deals. "

    If football were the ONLY thing that mattered, then BYU would be in the Pac-12 right now, Texas would be independent and Colorado would still be in the Big 12.

    Its about football yes, thats the driving force, but its also about media markets, conference culture, academics and a number of other factors.

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  24. Just for the record regarding UT and BYU folks who seem to think the world revolves around UT.
    "BYU will travel to Austin to take on the University of Texas of the Big 12. The schools met in 1987 and 1988, with the Cougars holding a 2-0 series lead." Link below!!
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    http://byucougars.com/m-football/byu-announces-its-2011-football-schedule

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  25. Again, just for the record:
    "BYU has faced every team in the conference except Nebraska (Article written before departure to B10), and has a winning record against Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M."

    Link below:
    http://byucougars.com/m-football/game-notes-season-opens-against-no-3-oklahoma

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  26. That series is about to become 2-1.....

    As a Horn I am hoping BYU joins the Big 12. BYU would be a rock that keeps the Big 12 from falling apart. I do not want to lose our history with Tech, OU, and Baylor.

    BYU brings a great football tradition, nation wide fans, and has shown that it can pull recruits of out Texas. Joining the Big 12 would open the door for more recruits form Texas.

    However it can be done I hope it is done. Just football now and other sports later.

    Oh, thanks for beating OU in 2009.I met a ton of BYU fans the night before while eating at Manny's in Dallas. I told them I was pulling for BYU. I think they just wanted me to leave them alone so they could eat texmex.

    Crossing my fingers that BYU joins the Big 12.

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  27. Well, quite frankly, this situation stinks for BYU. The Big 12 should have invited BYU a long time ago, but it couldn't, and that was mostly due to the Texas/A&M package deal that was declared by the governor. Then they had 12 teams, and everyone knows that you never do more than 12, or you have an old WAC fiasco... Oh wait, that is what everybody wants to do now, so they can keep the have-nots out. Sigh.

    The truth is, BYU would love to be in the BIG 12. Fans especially like the conference and we like Texas. Fans from Texas region have always shown respect to BYU, which is something we can't get East of the Mississippi. But now we are in a pickle.

    There are some BYU fans who think the WCC is far inferior to the BIG 12, but that just isn't true, not when it comes to other sports. It actually is a great fit for BYU, because they excel in sports like basketball (both men & women), women's soccer, volleyball, track, etc. And they are all religiously affiliated schools, so they have consented to not playing games on Sunday--a big deal for BYU. The Church does not want BYU to be a back-stabbing double-crossing organization, which it already came close to being last year with the WAC when BYU made its move to independence.

    The only way this could work out is if the BIG12 was willing to take BYU football only--which would be a sweet deal for BYU by the way.

    Here's to hoping the BIG12 stays in tact, and BYU might be part of it...

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  28. After trying to screw over the Mountain West, BYU is suddenly worried about credibility?

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  29. If BYU does not join the Big 12 because of the WCC, I will be very disappointed as a fan.

    Short answer is this is good for both parties. The Big 12 gets a solid, stable program and BYU gets into a BCS conference.

    I do think everyone is missing who the main King Pin will be in this, ESPN will be a Major force in how this plays out. Both BYU and Texas will listen to ESPN, and if they have a desire for the conference to stay they will back it will cash and TV time.

    Now if somehow ND did come that would be a dream. You have "The Red River Showdown" Texas/Okie in the South and "The Holy War" in the North (ND/BYU)

    I would love it, if it all works out.

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  30. Apparently BYU THINKS they are "Sought after"

    They Are NOT...the Big 12 is a crumbling conference and in all likelyhood will not be around in the immediate future

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  31. With the era, of the super conference coming, lets just merge the MWC and the Big XII. Give it some name it will have 15/16 teams in it.

    I like the BIG XII and want them to be proactive and not being served up as a "lunch special" by the Pac 12, Big 10 and the SEC

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  32. Everyone who keeps saying that BYU isn't going anywhere because they won't play on Sunday needs to get real. I do believe that won't be some unsolvable issue. There are 6 other says in the week and the Big 12 can make it work. That won't be the deal breaker.

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  33. If BYU turns down the Big XII, I will throw up.

    I think they're smarter than that.

    They'll join and be the better for it.

    Big XII or bust.

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  34. I'm a little confused. I don't get to follow college football like I would like to. So I'm not understanding why BYU wants to be linked at the hip to ND.

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  35. Lol! What makes "The Upset Blog" any more credible than any other yahoo on twitter who claims to have a source? Are you the same guys who had the "source" that said the big east had contacted BYU? that sure was true.....

    anyway, maybe you have a legit source, I doubt it though. At any rate, guess we will find out soon enough.

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  36. IF ND joins the Big XII, it is instantly stable. TX and ND are big enough that by adding a ND sized school to the conference quickly makes them a major player in the football power conference structure.

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  37. No, we are not the people who reported the Big East had contacted BYU.

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  38. Merging some of the MWC with the Big XII to form a superconference is certainly a bold idea, but I don't think it would actually work because many of the same problems that led to its current instability would still exist.

    First, is obviously the revenue inequality. No one expects teams to all bring in the same amount of dough each year in a conference, USC will always out earn WSU for example, but the growing inequality between Texas/Oklahoma and the rest is making things worse, especially when you factor in school specific networks like the Longhorn Network feeding the haves even more.

    Second is geographic inequality. The schools aligned with and located near Texas are always going to have an advantage. Its not insurmountable, teams can overcome it (heck look at what Boise State can do) but it does create another intraconference barrier. The North in the old Big XII was not as succesful as the South because the South had more Texas exposure and recruiting cachet. Staying at 10 schools limits this, but going up to 12 or 16 without including an equally rich recruiting ground for the other schools is not a very wise idea. Thats why the Pac-16 was such a brilliant plan. 8 schools conntected to the state of California, 8 schools connected to the state of Texas.

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  39. I have been to a lot of BYU games on the road, and I have been most impressed with Oklahoma and Notre Dame fans. Both very kind, gracious, and classy. I also met a lot of UT fans at the OU game, and the same could be said. I would love BYU to be aligned with big name programs that have enough self-respect and confidence that, even after a loss, they are decent human beings. Programs that have a track record of success have nothing to prove and know that a win or loss is not the end all, be all. The Big 12 with Notre Dame would be a dream come true for this fan.

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  40. BTW, the fans from "other" schools that BYU has been associated with for the last several decades do nothing but prove my point with their negative and juvenile, "my dad can beat up your dad" comments.

    Not saying that BYU fans don't stoop to this level at times, I'm just saying it would be awesome to shake the dust off the proverbial boots and move on to classier pastures.

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  41. BYU was "sought after" by ESPN.

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  42. I'm not sure why BYU is worried about leaving the WCC high and dry. They sure hung Utah State out to dry last year. I guess it's okay to sucker punch your little brother as long as you treat your neighbors nice.

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  43. So why is BYU/the LDS Church so concerned about the WCC? Where was that concern a year ago when they left the WAC, and their in-state (little) brother USU in the dust?

    Also, why is the LDS church/BYU trying to model itself/copy/tag along with Notre Dame?

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  44. @ TheUpset

    until your source is named, its not credible. Somehow, you were able to get PK to acknowledge you. Still, I remain skeptical that BYU has been contacted. Question: what was the last sports event that a writer of "The Upset Blog" attended as a credentialed media member? Until you do, face it, you are just some yahoos with a sports blog. Your "sources" can't be trusted.

    And to the guy who says that BYU needs to be dealing with classier fans, cast the beam out of your own eye. Thanks....

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  45. @ One Who Knows Said

    You assume that only a 'credentialed media member' could possible have access to information close to the situation. This isn't 1995. The world of sports journalism has changed, sir. If the information is legitimate, it does not matter if it comes from a premium news site or a blog. Individual readers, and those in the know, will decide what is and what is not credible. And our past record re: BYU news info speaks for itself. 'Somehow' the local media vetted our site from past experience and the veracity of the information at hand. You really think a media member would post to a site with no credibility? #CMONSON

    On the other hand, I appreciate you stooping down to the level of us mere 'bloggers' and posting a comment.

    - Some Yahoo with a sports blog.

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  46. @Zach,

    You make some good points but remember that its PK who quoted you. PK loves the fringe. and thats what this is. Cite your source. Sorry if I come off as offensive, I just can't stand when people who haven't bothered to obtain credentials make stuff up and pretend to cite it.

    We will see in the coming days if your source is correct.

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  47. No offense taken. I would be skeptical for the very same reasons you mentioned, if I didn't write the piece myself. :-) My point was, PK is not going to write a blog about some fringe site with no background. He, and most of the local media in Utah, have been following us for the three years we have been here. We have used "SOURCE" specific material TWICE. 1) BYU independence and 2) BYU-B12. This isn't our normal M.O.

    I appreciate the response and the dialogue. I am a law student, while my buddy Brett is going to Grad school as well. We don't pretend to be real journalist. We blog for free. We just happen to have an inside source privy to knowledge.

    -Zach

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  48. There was a third time: when we had it first that Harvey Unga would not be readmitted to BYU in time for the season.

    http://www.theupsetblog.com/2010/05/source-unga-not-likely-to-return-to-byu.html

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  49. Jay Drew of the Salt Lake Tribune just posted this piece, which corroborates everything we said 3 days earlier. ND as key partner, not wanting to break with WCC due to church representation, etc.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/sports/52495048-77/byu-conference-officials-football.html.csp

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  50. @Brett,

    yeah, I saw that. and instantly thought of you guys and everything i had said , lol! cool stuff, be interesting to see how things shake out. Well played upset blog, well played.

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  51. To answer those who question why BYU wants to be linked to ND is this: BYU doesn't care if ND will sign with the BIG12 (although if they do, it's a no brainer). What they do care is that if ND thinks that they cannot survive independence any longer due to the shift of forming power conferences then that would tell BYU something (join a power conference!).

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  52. BYU said when it left the Moutain West it was about exposure. If they can have more exposure with the Big 12 then they will join, if not they will stay with ESPN. That simple it is all about tv exposure. Not about money because the LDS Church has plenty.

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  53. There are rules we play by in the Big 12.

    1. We make the rules, you obey the rules

    2. If the rules we made don't work for us, we change the rules, you obey the rules

    3. ESPN works for us, not you

    4. You will play all of your games in Texas, but you will be allowed to have home games with kansas, kansas State, Missouri, and Iowa State.

    5. The Big 12 HQ remains in Dallas

    6. The Commissioner will remain Dan Beebe. We own him. His kids go to Texas and he cheers for Texas.

    7. All of the officiating crews will be from Texas. Most will even be alums of the UT

    8. Walt Anderson will remain the head of officiating crews, he is a UT alum.

    9. Sign the contract where it says you will broadcast your games on the LHN whenever you play Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, OU, or OSU.

    10. One of your home games with Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, or Iowa State will be played in Dallas at Jerry World because it is a neutral field.

    11. Your one vote is automatically cast for you since you only have one vote.

    Welcome to the Big12 - 3 plus maybe you.

    Hook 'em!!

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  54. Being from TX, I will offer the viewpoint of the Big 12.

    The Big 12 is not interested in BYU. If they were, they would have contacted BYU before now, especially last year when NE & CU bolted.

    The Big 12 is reaching out to BYU at this time like a drowning man for a life preserver. If they do not get at least one replacement, they will collapse. Even with replacements, they may still collapse.

    NE, CU, & A&M left because the conference is so poorly managed. Mizzou wanted to leave, but were unable. If they are given an opportunity, they will take it. OU is looking to leave (odds are to the Pac), and they would take OK St with them.

    If BYU were to join the Big 12, I do not believe they will get what they hope for. They will be treated as a 'little' school and will get minimal revenue sharing, promotion, and have virtually no say in the running of the league. If the big schools go, and that's likely, the Big 12 will lose its BCS bid, TV contract, etc.

    The league has no stability. If the big names jump to the Pac (IMO, very likely), those left behind (IA St, K St, Baylor) will be forced to apply for membership in the MWC or similar, putting BYU back where they started.

    IMO, a better long-term strategy for BYU is to copy CU--preemptively seek membership in the Pac so that when the Big 12 falls apart, you are not left out. The Pac still wants four more teams; package yourself with OU, OK St, + one more. BYU is far more desirable than Tech, Baylor, or KS. Bypass the intermediate & temporary step of the Big 12.

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  55. @Greg-

    BYU has been seeking membership in the PAC since 1984. During that time the PAC swallowed two Arizona schools from the WAC (even though BYU was athletically the cream of the WAC) and now the MWC school Utah. Why was BYU passed over? It has nothing to do with athletics or media markets. BYU's no-play-on-Sunday policy contributed, but could surely have been worked out.

    The real reason is most likely the vast political differences between the Left-leaning California schools and the conservative church-backed BYU. Factor in the supposed "meddling" of the Mormon Church in the California Prop 300 politics and it's not too hard to see that Hell will freeze over well before the PAC sends an invite to BYU. Jumping to the PAC would be good for BYU, but that door has been closed for a long time.

    On the other hand, the Big12 would be a great fit for BYU. It's a huge upgrade from the MWC, more conservative than the PAC, and would provide a better venue for the non-football sports than the WCC. It would bring more media exposure to the school, which for BYU is more important than $'s. Also, BYU would bring to the Big12 a large national fan-base (meaning media $'s) and a solid sports program (helping ensure continuing BCS AQ status).

    The problem for BYU is that the internal squabbles among Big12 schools could destabilize the league. If they jump to the Big12 and then it falls apart, they are toast. This is why they are so concerned about not offending the WCC. If the Big12 were stable, it's a no-brainer, but if more Big12 schools jump ship, then what? Ditching the WCC, only to come begging back a few years later is not something they want to do.

    However, in my opinion, it is really all about timing. If BYU can stall for a bit, maybe play out a year or two in the WCC to fulfill their current commitments, that lets them see if the Big12 really is stable and helps them save face with the WCC, since that league would have time to plan for a BYU departure. Such a scenario may work out best for everyone.

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  56. Lots of interesting comments and ideas here. I am surprised so many texas fans even saw this peice. Good job Upset on being the first to come out with what appears to be acurate information. My oppinion as a BYU fan is different from most it seems. I honestly would prefer they remain independant in football and affiliated with the WCC. As idependants they have a number of advantages but for me I can actually watch all their games, which I would prefer over them having an outside chance of winning a national championship.

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  57. i think that they should have looked for different conferences like 3 years ago, when they had all the good players like unga and hall. i want byu to join the pac personally but since they are non religious freaks, i could go with the big 12 if stays stable.

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